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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; 100+ Web Start-up Business Ideas - By Steve Poland - web startup ideas and brainstorms, straight up! (formerly Techquila Shots)</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; 100+ Web Start-up Business Ideas - By Steve Poland - web startup ideas and brainstorms, straight up! (formerly Techquila Shots)</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jhon Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepoland.com/idea-32-online-video-embed-code-piggy-backing/comment-page-1/#comment-400</link>
		<dc:creator>Jhon Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expanding upon what Graydon laid out, it is relatively simple to get the actual video and embed it in a custom swf of your choosing without actually downloading the FLV and hosting it elsewhere. While I am sure this violates the ToS,  I have created a proof of concept (embeds a youTube movie with an ID of your choosing into a flash movie). From here it could easily extended to use more than one movie.

http://www.evilpumpkin.com/testingGround/multipart/youTubeRip/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expanding upon what Graydon laid out, it is relatively simple to get the actual video and embed it in a custom swf of your choosing without actually downloading the FLV and hosting it elsewhere. While I am sure this violates the ToS,  I have created a proof of concept (embeds a youTube movie with an ID of your choosing into a flash movie). From here it could easily extended to use more than one movie.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.evilpumpkin.com/testingGround/multipart/youTubeRip/" rel="nofollow">http://www.evilpumpkin.com/testingGround/multipart/youTubeRip/</a></p>
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		<title>By: GirlTalkTooMuch</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepoland.com/idea-32-online-video-embed-code-piggy-backing/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>GirlTalkTooMuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas so far, but I&#039;m surprised no one has come up with the most obvious application.

How many times do you click on an embedded video and get the dreaded &quot;This video has been removed....&quot; message?

How about the meta-embed automatically searches other sites  for the same video, or the closest approximation possible? If a Viacom-owned video isn&#039;t available on Youtube, what are the chances it will be on one of the other hundreds of sites?

Yeah, that&#039;s right. About 100%. Sites like Vodpod are already stepping in this direction. Now just automate it and save everyone a few minutes of manual searching.

You could either use meta-embed, or maybe even use a plugin that will work at the blog end of the layer, so that even a regular old Youtube embed could be changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great ideas so far, but I&#8217;m surprised no one has come up with the most obvious application.</p>
<p>How many times do you click on an embedded video and get the dreaded &#8220;This video has been removed&#8230;.&#8221; message?</p>
<p>How about the meta-embed automatically searches other sites  for the same video, or the closest approximation possible? If a Viacom-owned video isn&#8217;t available on Youtube, what are the chances it will be on one of the other hundreds of sites?</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s right. About 100%. Sites like Vodpod are already stepping in this direction. Now just automate it and save everyone a few minutes of manual searching.</p>
<p>You could either use meta-embed, or maybe even use a plugin that will work at the blog end of the layer, so that even a regular old Youtube embed could be changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Poland</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepoland.com/idea-32-online-video-embed-code-piggy-backing/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Poland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;More from Graydon:&lt;/b&gt;

Reading back through your post a couple of times, I think I was missing something.  Plus, I might not have been as clear in a comment as I should have been.

First - to clarify in the comments.
Since you can successfully view a video using a snipped url, then your site only needs to allow the user to enter in the video id of the current showing and you take care of the &quot;redirecting&quot;.  When they enter in a new video id, the snipped url will automatically redirect.

Second - I just really grasped what the original question was... what else would be good to show in some bracketed player?  After giving it some thought... I can&#039;t really think of any worthwhile information that I would want to see about a video from youtube.  But that&#039;s me... and not what a myspace user might actually care about.

Instead of thinking about what info to show, let&#039;s think about what functions to add... and not hang up on how it would work in myspace (which may be important, but not something to design around at the front end).

Since the snipped url works, could you add a &quot;next&quot; button / link that restarted the player and showed the next video the &quot;distributor&quot; had selected?  The mytvchannel.com site would simply redirect to another video_id that the distributor had chosen.

Unfortunately it&#039;s too late in the evening / morning for me to come up with other functions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>More from Graydon:</b></p>
<p>Reading back through your post a couple of times, I think I was missing something.  Plus, I might not have been as clear in a comment as I should have been.</p>
<p>First &#8211; to clarify in the comments.<br />
Since you can successfully view a video using a snipped url, then your site only needs to allow the user to enter in the video id of the current showing and you take care of the &#8220;redirecting&#8221;.  When they enter in a new video id, the snipped url will automatically redirect.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; I just really grasped what the original question was&#8230; what else would be good to show in some bracketed player?  After giving it some thought&#8230; I can&#8217;t really think of any worthwhile information that I would want to see about a video from youtube.  But that&#8217;s me&#8230; and not what a myspace user might actually care about.</p>
<p>Instead of thinking about what info to show, let&#8217;s think about what functions to add&#8230; and not hang up on how it would work in myspace (which may be important, but not something to design around at the front end).</p>
<p>Since the snipped url works, could you add a &#8220;next&#8221; button / link that restarted the player and showed the next video the &#8220;distributor&#8221; had selected?  The mytvchannel.com site would simply redirect to another video_id that the distributor had chosen.</p>
<p>Unfortunately it&#8217;s too late in the evening / morning for me to come up with other functions.</p>
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		<title>By: Graydon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Splashcast
I haven&#039;t tried using them yet, so this is based upon what I can understand from the site.
 - you can create a channel
 - you can add shows to a channel
 - you can change the shows for any channel at any time

So, in theory, you could add a video (either from youtube or original content loaded to splashcast) and then add an advertisement in a form of a video, image, text, etc... and change them at any point in time.

If splashcast had a vault of ad content that you could add and had a tracking mechanism to know the views / clicks generated from a channel, they could pay the owner of that channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Splashcast<br />
I haven&#8217;t tried using them yet, so this is based upon what I can understand from the site.<br />
 &#8211; you can create a channel<br />
 &#8211; you can add shows to a channel<br />
 &#8211; you can change the shows for any channel at any time</p>
<p>So, in theory, you could add a video (either from youtube or original content loaded to splashcast) and then add an advertisement in a form of a video, image, text, etc&#8230; and change them at any point in time.</p>
<p>If splashcast had a vault of ad content that you could add and had a tracking mechanism to know the views / clicks generated from a channel, they could pay the owner of that channel.</p>
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		<title>By: Graydon</title>
		<link>http://www.stevepoland.com/idea-32-online-video-embed-code-piggy-backing/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Graydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, that didn&#039;t take long... it works.

Try it for yourself.  Copy the below into notepad (two seperate files) and save as an html file and then open in a browser.

&lt;code&gt;Original embed:
&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot;
value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/c2fnvYH-fUU&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;wmode&quot;
value=&quot;transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed
src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/c2fnvYH-fUU&quot;
type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; wmode=&quot;transparent&quot; width=&quot;425&quot;
height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;

Snipped embed:
&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot;
value=&quot;http://snipurl.com/1bt5n&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;wmode&quot;
value=&quot;transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://snipurl.com/1bt5n&quot;
type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; wmode=&quot;transparent&quot; width=&quot;425&quot;
height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

Looks like some of the basics are possible.

I wonder how many TOS that violates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, that didn&#8217;t take long&#8230; it works.</p>
<p>Try it for yourself.  Copy the below into notepad (two seperate files) and save as an html file and then open in a browser.</p>
<p><code>Original embed:<br />
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie"<br />
value="http://www.youtube.com/v/c2fnvYH-fUU"></param><param name="wmode"<br />
value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/c2fnvYH-fUU"<br />
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425"<br />
height="350"></embed></object></p>
<p>Snipped embed:<br />
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie"<br />
value="http://snipurl.com/1bt5n"></param><param name="wmode"<br />
value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://snipurl.com/1bt5n"<br />
type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425"<br />
height="350"></embed></object></code></p>
<p>Looks like some of the basics are possible.</p>
<p>I wonder how many TOS that violates?</p>
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		<title>By: Graydon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graydon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I don&#039;t know if this is possible, I&#039;ll throw it out for others to kill.

The youtube embed format is standard for all videos.
The only difference is the video ID.
It looks like this...
http://www.youtube.com/v/video_id
It&#039;s in the embed code twice.

Now, again, not knowing how some things work... could you replace the &quot;http://www.youtube.com....&quot; with a URL such as &quot;http://www.mytvchannel.com/joe/channel_1&quot; and use the technology behind something like snipurl to effective redirect to the right video?

The &quot;snippet url&quot; would always be the same, but the destination could change as needed.

I&#039;ll test it out and let you know how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I don&#8217;t know if this is possible, I&#8217;ll throw it out for others to kill.</p>
<p>The youtube embed format is standard for all videos.<br />
The only difference is the video ID.<br />
It looks like this&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/video_id" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/v/video_id</a><br />
It&#8217;s in the embed code twice.</p>
<p>Now, again, not knowing how some things work&#8230; could you replace the &#8220;http://www.youtube.com&#8230;.&#8221; with a URL such as &#8220;http://www.mytvchannel.com/joe/channel_1&#8243; and use the technology behind something like snipurl to effective redirect to the right video?</p>
<p>The &#8220;snippet url&#8221; would always be the same, but the destination could change as needed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll test it out and let you know how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah - this idea is awesome!!  It&#039;s simple, has built-in viral spreadability, and can easily be monetized (i.e. paid subscriber can add multiple videos that play one after another).  It is scary to build a startup on the backs of two other services, especially since one has been known to block widgets seemingly at a whim.  Still, this one could be a bulls-eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah &#8211; this idea is awesome!!  It&#8217;s simple, has built-in viral spreadability, and can easily be monetized (i.e. paid subscriber can add multiple videos that play one after another).  It is scary to build a startup on the backs of two other services, especially since one has been known to block widgets seemingly at a whim.  Still, this one could be a bulls-eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Poland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Poland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James -- what I&#039;m proposing above is that we give the user the exact embed that youtube gives us, and then we also add some more code at the end of the embed .... so if the user grabs the embed code from our site, it has youtube embed and our embed at the end. Thus, the youtube embed -- we couldn&#039;t change that in the future; so if the youtube video was dead at some point, it&#039;d be dead.

But Graydon&#039;s suggestion I like -- but I&#039;m not sure how we put an embed, which actually points to say a flash file on our server, which then points to the youtube file ...that way, the user could update the flash file (on our server via our tools that we give them). But if we embed direct to youtube, then the link is forever to that youtube video -- and can&#039;t be changed. I mean, unless the user wants to take that code back out of their site, and put new code in.. but we&#039;re trying to eliminate that hassle -- and let the user go to our website, find a new video to display, and &#039;activate it as current&#039;, then it auto-updates in their player on their myspace page.

sorry if this makes no sense at all :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8212; what I&#8217;m proposing above is that we give the user the exact embed that youtube gives us, and then we also add some more code at the end of the embed &#8230;. so if the user grabs the embed code from our site, it has youtube embed and our embed at the end. Thus, the youtube embed &#8212; we couldn&#8217;t change that in the future; so if the youtube video was dead at some point, it&#8217;d be dead.</p>
<p>But Graydon&#8217;s suggestion I like &#8212; but I&#8217;m not sure how we put an embed, which actually points to say a flash file on our server, which then points to the youtube file &#8230;that way, the user could update the flash file (on our server via our tools that we give them). But if we embed direct to youtube, then the link is forever to that youtube video &#8212; and can&#8217;t be changed. I mean, unless the user wants to take that code back out of their site, and put new code in.. but we&#8217;re trying to eliminate that hassle &#8212; and let the user go to our website, find a new video to display, and &#8216;activate it as current&#8217;, then it auto-updates in their player on their myspace page.</p>
<p>sorry if this makes no sense at all <img src='http://www.stevepoland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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